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Buzz522
07-24-2005, 03:07 AM
I was for nearly 16 years a Sales Manager/FinanceManager in the car business and for the last 4 years of my career a partner in a Toyota/Lexus/Land Cruiser dealership. I was pretty successful, averaged in the 6 figures a year. When my wife, a TV newsperson, got pregnant at 39 she was originally going to quit to be a Mom. But as the time got closer and closer she wanted more and more NOT to quit her job. She even talked me into letting her Mother move in with us to be a nanny to our baby. A month before the due date, my mother-in-law had a heart attack and died. That threw everything into a mess. Then when the big day did arrive, the baby was delivered by emergency C-section because Carleigh had kicked a hole in her mom's uterus. Carleigh weighed in just under 11 lbs and was 25-1/4" long. Both of them nearly died. Carleigh because she coughed before they were able to squeeze the water from her lungs and burst a bubble in there, had a pericardial sac around her heart, and a small hole in the left ventricle. Liz because she almost bled to death and had a terrible infection. They both did a week in ICU. Our insurance at the time was thru my work and was AFLAC. At the time AFLAC paid a flat $1200 for a C-section and didn't cover the newborn until she was 30 days old. With all the ICU and heart specialists and doctors and hospital bills for the both were near the $100K mark. It took every penny I had saved in my life and two years of payments to pay off the bills. When we did get home, LIz was bed-ridden and I took a leave to take care of her. Both of us had wanted a baby for a long time and had almost given up when she did get pregnant, so I was going to do anything to take care of them. I was the one doing everything---up with the baby, running for Liz......everything. After 6 weeks Liz was allowed to start back to work by her doc........and she wanted to go. She reckoned that I could sell my 20% interest in the car dealership, retire at 45 and put a big nest egg in the bank for us and since I was "really" good at taking care of the baby, and she earned nearly as much per month as I did, worked only 8 hours a day and insurance, 401K matching, and other benefits were company paid that that's what we should do. Me become Mr. Mom and she'd earn the money. Things were great for the first 6 years. I learned to have so very much respect for my own mother and all mothers in general, because this job is the hardest job I've ever done in my life............and no thanks, no respect, no pay, no sense of accomplishment because the mess you just cleaned up is a disaster area before you can even get the next mess cleaned up. When the family goes to the mountains for vacation, I'm not on vacation, my job merely moved to the mountains.........24/7/365, Mr Mom is always open. But the rewards of being that close to your child are enormous and I don't regret my choice at all. But, there is a page 2----------In 2003, my wife was fired, I tried to get a job in my old profession, but was treated pretty shabbily by the people I talked to, to them, I had simply quit and taken up a past time. Liz took a lesser job at a lesser station and a pay cut of nearly 35K. I took the CDL driver's test and the school bus driver's test and got a job driving a school bus to Carleigh's school. I was to start in two weeks when I was up on the roof cleaning out my gutters and fell shattering my fibula and cracking my tibia. Two orthopedists and an honest to God Bone Doc Specialist from the Cleveland Clinic, 10 months and 7 operations later I was feeling really good, walking with no pain. Liz in the meantime had taken a huge job with a huge paycheck in Atlanta, Ga. Her job started June 1, and since Carleigh didn't get out of school until June 3 and we had a house to sell and the last operation on my leg was scheduled for July 21...........Carleigh and I stayed in Ohio.

I almost forgot.......during the 10 months Liz was looking for a job and I was being operated on every three months, we were living on that nest egg I received when selling my interest. Do you know what happens to half a million dollars after you withdraw it from the long term IRA's and CD's and have a Market Portfolio that includes Enron and Worldcom? Well, the government takes nearly 42%, the IRA's hit you with 10% penalties, the CD's, another 10%, leaving Enron and Worldcom to divide up the rest of the 67% it cost me to take it out. but that still left $200k or so.....then 10 months of car notes, mortgage payments and the downpayment on the Ohio house took the rest.


Okay back to Ohio................the last surgery to remove some pins and insert some permenant screws was scheduled for July 21. That done, on August 1, Carleigh and I drove down to Atlanta to look for a house with Liz. We found exactly what we wanted and C and I were really looking forward to joining Mom in Atlanta. When I got back from Atlanta my ankle had swollen to twice it's size and burst all the stitches. When I went back to the bonedoc, he opened it up, cleaned it out and gave me some antibiotics for the infection. Said not to worry, just come back and see him in two weeks. I called him 10 days later because it had swollen up again--blah, blah---------anyway the infection turned out to be a staph which had eaten it's way into my bone and was holed up there. More surgery and a PICC line installed so I could inject myself 4 times a day for the next 8 weeks. Our house on Lake Erie hadn't sold and school was starting so I put Carls in school and we made plans to meet up with Mommie in January. I had two more surgeries, one in October and a "final" one in November exactly one year to the day from the accident. At my best I was on crutches, but mostly I was on the couch with my leg up in the air. Liz came home for Christmas with a new hair-do about 10 pounds lighter in the butt than she had been in 15 years and sporting a new belly button ring. The holidays were fine, but I should have seen the red flags waving. But after 18 years of marriage, I guess my eyes were a bit closed. The "final" surgery didn't work because of a piece of broken screw that was embedded in my leg bone from one of the previous surgeries, and after I quit the antibiotics, a week later it was all swollen up again. One more surgery in March, but by that time the Osteomylitis (sp) had eaten it's way through the bone in my ankle so badly that I may never walk again without a cane. But the bad news came June the 19th.

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Carleigh and I had enough of 800 miles distance between Mommie and us. Liz came to pick up Carleigh and load her clothes and stuff up for the trip. I had a round of doctor appointments on the next Tuesday and was going to load my truck with some stuff, load up a U-haul with some other stuff Liz wanted me to bring and follow them after the doctors released me. After the appointments, I loaded my truck and called LIz to tell her I would see her and Carleigh the next day sometime. That's when she told me not to bother, she'd changed a lot over the last year in Atlanta on her own and no longer wanted to be married to me. I asked her what she was going to do with Carleigh, the baby I'd raised almost single-handedly since she was an infant.....she told me she was visiting some relatives and that once the divorce was settled I was welcome to come and visit any time I wanted. Fellow Dads, my money in savings from the sale of my partnership was gone with the downpayment on the house in Ohio, which by the way, was in her name only. She had cleaned out the checking account, cancelled all the joint credit cards, and put the 401k money into an account in her name only...even my Jeep is in her name. I got a call from my daughter about a week later. She told me she was at her Grandpa's house in Massachusetts, started crying and asked me to come get her. I called some attorney in Mass, one in Ohio and one in Miss where my Mom lives. All three told me the same thing, "Go Get Her". I then called the Boston police and told them what I had in mind and they said they could do nothing to help me nor hinder me from taking my own child from her grandparents. I drove for four solid days spending one night in Nashville, but I got her back. We ended up in Mississippi at my Mom's house.................so, here I am, almost 54 years old, crippled, no money, no job, no prospects and living with my 85 year old Mother for the first time since I left for college. But I do have my Carleigh, who is on the floor now at my feet playing PS2, the border collie, the cat and two hammsters. A grown man who hasn't shed a tear in probably a quarter century or more, breaking down llike a single barrel shotgun everytime one of my old friends who never left home or came back to live after school comes by to tell me how "SORRY" they feel for me.

My wife has taken a job in Miami at even a bigger market with even a larger paycheck and will soon be swooping down to buy my kid from me. I mean the only money I have is from some old savings bonds my Dad bought me as a kid and had I cashed them out in the 90's would have been worth something more than face value, this $500 is all I have. And I'm sure in the eyes of an 8 year old it is going to be glorius living on the beach in South Florida with a Mom who never says no, even if she does have to stay with a nanny rather than with a Dad who is gonna put her in Catholic school and tell her no more times than yes...........I'm gonna lose.

I don't know what to do, guys. I'm looking for help. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, any strategies on how to keep my kid are welcome. Even my longtime friend and corporate attorney has no idea. He thinks the judge might just award her custody because she can provide a more affluent life than me. I am F'd. And dying inside.................please help.

Weston
07-24-2005, 03:27 AM
Robert,

It breaks my heart to read your post. I have no advice unfortunately... just want to say I feel for you.

Mike

Don-Dad
07-24-2005, 03:55 AM
Man, quite a story. Ihave no advice to offer :( I wish you luck in keeping your child. Stay strong for both you and your childs sake.

Buzz522
07-24-2005, 04:03 AM
Thanks to both of you for your encouragement and support.....I'm hanging in there and keeping her close.

..........Peace

2nd time around
07-24-2005, 03:40 PM
Breaks my heart too. My first wife moved to another state because she recieved a transfer to an area we had always wanted to live. My son was a senior in high school and wanted to graduate with his friends. So, dad stayed with him while mom moved and set up the house we were all supposed to live in. We had sold our house, cars, travel trailer,everything, to make the move. He and I lived in a one bedroom rental while she lived in the newly remodeled house with the ocean view. Long story short, she did the same as your ex. Spent most of the profits from the sale of the house and I found out had a boyfriend six months before she moved and had continued to see him after. It sucks hard and your story moved me very much. I wish I could say something that would make you feel better but I can't. It sounds like you have a tough road ahead but know in your heart that your daughter will not forget her dad. Your ex can try to buy her love but you have given yours freely and honestly and I believe that your daughter will remember that. My son is now 3000 miles away from me but our relationship is strong. What you have gone thru together has formed a bond that will never be broken. It is ironic that you sign your posts with the word peace. I met my current wife on a divorce support web site and always signed my posts with peace.

Peace to you,
Larry

Buzz522
07-25-2005, 01:14 AM
Thanks for the advice. What I have found out is that though we may divorce in any state where residency has been established, custody may only be decided in Ohio. The place of Carleigh's residence. I couldn't beleive that, but at $200 for 25 minutes, I gotta believe the guy knows what he's talking about. My biggest problem is money..........the guy in Ohio wants $3000 in a trust befroe he will start and I don't have it. But whatever happens, the custody will be decided where I have doctors, school teachers, Mom's from the PTA and other Mom's whose kids have spent endless sleepovers at our house who will stand up for me. That may not be much legally, but at one timie some of them thought my wife was dead because they had never seen her or met her in the two years Carleigh was in the school up there.

Again, thanks for all the info and help..............peace

tt3
07-25-2005, 01:40 AM
I'm sorry I don't have any advice for you, but welcome here. I hope it goes well for you!

What does your daughter say about all of it?

Buzz522
07-25-2005, 02:09 AM
She wants to stay with me. But she loves her mom very much, as it should be, and I'd never ask an 8 year old to choose betwen her Mom and Dad. But Carleigh has never known anything but me taking care of her. When she needs some special clothes washed and ironed for tomorrow, she comes to me. When she's hurt herself or sick, she comes to me. When she's hungry or sleepy or cold or whatever it's always me. Mom is busy getting herself beautiful for her job in the mornings and usually waves goodbye from upstairs or a quick hug and kiss before we leave for school. Carls get home from school at three o'clock, does her homework and reading, then plays with her friends who are almost a constant presence at our house, and goes to bed at 8pm. Liz may get home by 7:30 but more often than not she doesn't get home until after she we have already said our prayers and she's gone to bed. On the weekends Liz sleeps until 10:30 or 11. By that time we've been up for hours and Carleigh is already out the door playing.

I simply wish Liz would do not what she wants but what is best for Carleigh. If I was still at the car dealership and we broke up and Liz had stayed home with her I can honestly say, I think, that Carleigh should stay with her Mom..................

Anyway, whatever -- whatever.........I intend to fight the best way I can to keep her when the time comes.......again thanks for the help ya'll............peace

mrandjr
07-27-2005, 03:50 AM
Man I thought we have had it rough with my health issues! I really feel for you.

Most law schools have a pro bono clinic that take on cases like yours. Most have 3rd year students preparing for the bar exam working cases. These are supervised by professors from the school.

I am not sure where you are located in OH or where the nearest law school is located but it would be a start.

Buzz522
07-27-2005, 04:28 AM
That's good info to know............thanks

............peace

dad2jeff
07-27-2005, 05:37 AM
Ok well this sucks. Get a attorney now. don't tell yourself she will be better with mom. that how I screwed myself! you need to pick where it is you want to fight this case. which state i mean. it does really depend. if you get the case started where you live now and have been living there thats pretty much where the case will stay. if you start to shop for the best state it may not be where you what to live. there are divorced dads groups. you have gone throught lot of money and the judge may make her pay half of it back. they are not has soft on the woman anymore. but once it goes to wealth and hellfare :twisted: you are screwed! :evil: . you can allways lets her go visit mom in the summer or what ever. but if its the other way you do not have a say. It time to get out the big guns. i can not believe what you have gone through allready and now this BS. the case for my oldest is here in idaho other wise it would be in richmond VA.

aaronlc1
08-10-2005, 11:13 PM
you being the primary care giver, and that is important for the mother does not always matter if she does not even know the difference from an upset stomach and teething. I tell you that for I have seen mothers when the divorce case becasue they were nothing more than the primary care giver of the child, even though the fatehr made more money. That is something to remeber, and do not forget even though it is heart shattering, if she wins at a certain age depending on the state she can make her own decision as to where to live. So stay strong, and believe in teh system. God does care, even when it seems like it is getting piled higher and higher.

Buzz522
08-11-2005, 01:16 AM
Thanks......and you are exactly right. My wife, female tho she be, wouldn't know the difference between teething and a stomach ache. And I'm not going to let her win anything. She filed for the divorce last week but I haven't been served yet. As soon as I do, I'm going straight to my lawyer and tell her to go for the throat. My wife hasn't sent a penny's support in 3 months and has only come to see Carleigh once in the same 3 months, but she's been to Florida three times. She's so self-centered right now she can't even see the mess she's making out of her own case. At the same time I've taken out a loan to enrolled Carleigh in Catholic school, filed for SSI disability and been to another doctor about my leg and have been told he can do nothing to fix it only cut it off...........anyone out there had a leg amputated?

Again thanks for all ya'll's help

DoDad
08-11-2005, 02:41 AM
Robert, my heart goes out to you...

I know where you are coming from and have been very close to your spot....moved across the country in similar circumstances....following the wife's career...then was given a similar line and now I have lost all my savings...along with my network of friends and caree contacts BUT I am the richest man on earth....let me put that in context..."the richest man is the man who needs the least"...you learn to get by....the good news is we share custody and it is working.
My heart aches for you situation and the litany of luck that has not gone your way....but Robert remember this two shall pass and Carleigh won't forget all the great time you had together and the "Disney Mom' and money won't replace you...not in the long term....so get back on your feet and make a life that she can fit in too and I would bet dollars to daughters that she will make a conscious decision to see mom for what she really is and move to where the love is....

Best of Luck....remember the harder you work the luckier you get.

Take good care of yourself...and don't what ever you do...compromise the warmth, loving and caring that put you in the original position of work-at-home-dad....we both know it was the best possible choice....don't ever regret it over money and lost love...your daughter knows best.
Don't bad mouth Mom...she is doing a great job herself of digging her own hole....she is your daughter's mom and the only one she has...so honour her as much as is humanly possible (I wished I could take my own good advice...I DO TRY).
Be the example of what you want your darling daughter to be....not a hardened angry old man...but a loving caring father with a few bad choices and a spat of bad luck behind him....it will get better...it has to...could it get worse...NAH!!
Best of luck to you and Carleigh....oh what the heck... that walking womb too.

Cheers, Colin

Twins+1
08-11-2005, 03:10 AM
hi everyone! i'm the one who did 'almost divorced pt1&2'. it's been a long road for me but i'm finally almost over my divorce. This guy's situation just makes me sick! What an aweful woman. i thought my ex was bad- :twisted:

I don't know about other states but i live in alabama and i am divorced and about to go through a massive custody fight in 2007(according to my divorce decree). it could happen anytime. anyway, i started out as a stay at home dad and then went back to work when my wife at the time got pregnant with our 3rd. all of my lawyer friends have told me to document everything that had to do with me being primary caregiver to the babies when i was married and as long as i can provide a stable home i could easily get full custody. we have joint custody now but that will change when the twins start kindergarden in 2007. The point being that living at home with your parents(at any age) while you fix your life and are able to have a place of your own for your and your daughter is NOT a bad thing. you just have to show that you have been primary caregiver to your daughter and you can provide a safe happy home for her and the court should side with you.

good luck to you- if i dig up some more legal info i'll pass it along. DON'T GIVE UP! YOUR SOON-TO-BE EX-WIFE DOES NOT DESERVE THE LOVE OF YOUR LITTLE GIRL AFTER WHAT SHE'S DONE. BUT YOU DO- FIGHT FOR HER, GET THE MEDIA INVOLVED IF YOU HAVE TO.

best of luck, jonathan. home biz- www.preamberalert.com/alabama

Buzz522
08-11-2005, 12:06 PM
Thanks for the valuable advice. As of today, Carleigh and I are doing very well. And that's really all we have any control over, isn't it? Right now...........and we're taking it just like that. She's in school, she's living with me..what else could I want, right?

You seem like you're going to be a valued addition here at the club. Again, thanks for your input..........and best of luck to you too.......................peace

mikeymcclain
08-12-2005, 07:10 AM
Hi Robert,
I'm brand new to the group.....but I just wanted you to know that our prayers are with you from here in Michigan. Don't fear the future- God is already there!

Mikey