The new Iraqi government

[underfoot]

I guess the hand over isnt going to go smoothly.

89 Die and 318 Hurt in New Iraq Attacks
Insurgents launched coordinated attacks Thursday against police and government buildings across Sunni Muslim areas of Iraq less than a week before the handover of sovereignty. The strikes killed 89 people including, three American soldiers, and wounded 318 people, Iraqi and U.S. officials said.

Most of the deaths were in Mosul, where 44 people were killed and 216 injured in attacks that included a string of car bombs. Clashes also occurred in Baqouba, Ramadi, Baghdad and other areas.

The extent of the attacks was a clear sign of just how powerful the insurgency remains and could be the start of a new push to torpedo Wednesday's transfer of sovereignty to an interim transitional government.

Iraqi police, who have been entrusted to take a larger role in security after the handover, appeared outgunned and unable to hold positions in most of the cities under fire. American troops raced to offer support, using aircraft, tanks and helicopters to repel the guerrillas.

Saad al-Amely, an official at the Iraqi Health Ministry, said hospitals were flooded with the wounded.

[stizz]

not to sound smug,..but wasn't this pretty obvious from the start? Nobody in the real world expected this transition to go smoothly, nor to they expect it to even work.

[underfoot]

I know, but every day the intensity steps up. It makes me wonder what is going to happen once we hand the keys over to the Iraqis. How long before the new government is overthrown? When and how are we ever going to get our folks out of there? Its a mess.

Being less than 2 hours from Ft. Bragg, we get a lot of local news about the troops in Iraq. There's a lot of concern in this area because so many of the troops are part of the local community. At first the news stories were positive. The troops were in a positive frame of mind and everyone of them was comfortable carrying out their orders. Lately, the stories are less positive. Moral is decreasing and there is a growing feeling of frustration.

It'll be a relief when we can get our folks back to their home land.

[Remington]

We will see this for quite a while. Iraq will ask U.S. Troops to stay to help fight off the terrorists.

But we will continue to see this.

If Bush gets re-elected don't be surprised to see more troops get deployed. He might say that he intends not to now but if this pace keeps up he will send over more troops and go strong on the offensive.

I have no idea what Kerry would do and don't want to know....

The world is different these days and most people still fail to see it. They got the same jobs, family, luxuries, etc... But right now a lot of the world has got issues. and the violence all over the middle east has really stepped up.

[stizz]

I personally would rather be shot in groin than see Bush & Co rape and pillage for another term, but thats just me and I'm not trying to start a political flamewar here. I don't think Kerry is any better, http://johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com/

I want our troops to come home, and I know a lot of the soldiers out in the field want to come home as well. Lots of reservists who only joined up for the college money now find themselves full time soldiers fighting a war they don't believe in. Our all volunteer military is supposed to defend American soil from attack/invasion, not preemptively invade and occupy other nations.

The new Iraqi government wont ask them to leave. Being the puppet government it is, it relys soley on the Coalition for any legitimacy.

The only way I can see our troops coming home is if Bush loses, and the puppet government in Iraq falls to a coup of the old iraq military/police. Kerry pulls out completely leaving the whole mess Bush's legacy.

Then pigs started to fly.

[Remington]

Bush made one good decision and that was to push to handover the country to their own government early. This way the new Iraqi gov. can have their say whether they want us there or not.

If they say "yes" then Bush looks better as the war was wanted by Iraq and they appreciate our help in freeing theit country.

If they say, "no" we can go home.

People need to stop joining the military for college money and the military needs to stop promoting it as such. War is serious and people die.

[mjknapp]

Rem, you make a very good point there, I have no doubt in my mind who I would rather see as president, but I will not try to push my beliefs off on anyone, Just as Rush used to say, I am a compassionate conservative, I only cry out of my right eye!!!

[Dadaland]

I wish the americans success .Sometimes I
wonder if they should have unleashed on the Saudi's instead.but I guess you hit the big guy first.I definatly would not have the patience if I were
bush.This is not going away in our life time.Whats done is done.the killing will go on for decades.Ishmail wants his jihad, and so it is written and so it shall be. I have but one wish drop a big MOAB on mecca on their holiest day. and on the keniving Saudi royal family on your way home boy's.Gee
if she only left that little bastard in the desert none of this would have ever happend. Imagine.

P.S
Next time you run into one of these pajama boy's be it in a busy air- port
or anyware rip the checkered due rag off of his his head and quickly strangle him with it. you'll be making the world a better and safer place.

F-you Ishmail and your sons.

[dad of 2]

farenheight 9/11, I just saw it. It makes a pretty compelling case against bush and co.

[underfoot]

Next time you run into one of these pajama boy's be it in a busy air- port
or anyware rip the checkered due rag off of his his head and quickly strangle him with it. you'll be making the world a better and safer place.
Your own personal Jihad, 'eh? Count me out. I intend to go on about my business without judging people based on the way they look, the way they talk, the things they believe in. We're no better than a former Iraqi dictator when we deny people the basic right to be free.

[mjknapp]

Did you beleive all that stuff in that movie, I am not an expert, but alot of that movie is pretty far fetched, how can one man do so much, it takes alot more than one man to go to war.

[underfoot]

Please dont take my thougths and opinions as support for the current president OR his rival in the upcoming election. :)

I havent seen the movie yet. I saw Michael Moore on TV the other day talking about his movie and some of the clips he was showing were both funny and sickening at the same time. However, it is very easy to make someone look stupid if you have total control over the editing process. Take a clip of someone doing something like golfing and then add a voice over talking about how many people died in Iraq during his 18 holes that day. Well, I think the movie is probably about 2 hours of stuff like that. The facts are real, the quotes and interviews are real, and the edits are done in such a way as to present the information in the most unfavorable manner.

The longer we stay in Iraq the worse we look. We're the greatest country on the planet and I wouldnt want to live anywhere else, but right now we look like the school bully. Our might is not with strength of arms and use of force. That's not what makes America great. What makes us great is our freedom, our democracy, our justice. Right now we're misguided and that needs to change. If our current president changes tactics and guides us to greater heights and acheivements as a country, I say fantastic. If he cant, then maybe some one else can. I'll take that chance because I believe that as a nation there is nothing that can hold us back if we are working for our country's best interests.

[mjknapp]

I agree underfoot, but without some recourse of what happened 3 yrs ago, more attacks would happen, and I imagine they still will happen, I dont look at us like the school bully, as the bully is usually one person attacking an innocent victim, the person that stands up for the inncoent victim and others like him is what I perceive us as. These people just want to kill Americans, and no matter how long we are over in Iraq, Afghanistan, and any other country we might go to, it will still happen. If we pulled out it will still happen. Not everyone agrees with what is going on, but that is what makes this country so great. We are a nation of opinions, they are a nation of one opinion, if you can call them a nation.

I do not like to get into political arguements, but I am the type of person who believes in an eye for an eye, and in my opinion that would solve alot more than the current path we are taking, but that is my own personal opinion.

[Anonymous]

I do not like to get into political arguements, but I am the type of person who believes in an eye for an eye, and in my opinion that would solve alot more than the current path we are taking, but that is my own personal opinion.
No, I dont like to get into arguments about politics either. One opinion is as valid as another so who am I to tell someone else how to think. Freedom of speech is the most important right we have followed closely by the 21st amendment.

Afghanistan was the eye for the eye. In my opinion we were too soft on them. The Taliban was harboring and sponsoring the terrorists that attacked us. I dont believe our country should go around starting fights but I dont believe we should back away when some body else starts one. Iraq is a different matter. This one smells like personal gain. No WMD. No Sadamm/Al Qaeda connection. Every justification for our presence there has turned out to be a facade. We started the fight for reasons that have turned out to be false and I just dont understand how a 21st century democracy could do this. Operation Iraqi Liberation has polarized our country, made friendly nations cast a suspicious eye our way, and added heat to the fire of our enemies. I don't see how our current actions are benefitting the people of our nation, only the political players on Capital Hill.

[underfoot]

I do not like to get into political arguements, but I am the type of person who believes in an eye for an eye, and in my opinion that would solve alot more than the current path we are taking, but that is my own personal opinion.
No, I dont like to get into arguments about politics either. One opinion is as valid as another so who am I to tell someone else how to think. Freedom of speech is the most important right we have followed closely by the 21st amendment.

Afghanistan was the eye for the eye. In my opinion we were too soft on them. The Taliban was harboring and sponsoring the terrorists that attacked us. I dont believe our country should go around starting fights but I dont believe we should back away when some body else starts one. Iraq is a different matter. This one smells like personal gain. No WMD. No Sadamm/Al Qaeda connection. Every justification for our presence there has turned out to be a facade. We started the fight for reasons that have turned out to be false and I just dont understand how a 21st century democracy could do this. Operation Iraqi Liberation has polarized our country, made friendly nations cast a suspicious eye our way, and added heat to the fire of our enemies. I don't see how our current actions are benefitting the people of our nation, only the political players on Capital Hill.
The above post was me. Damn blocked cookies...

[mjknapp]

Too politically heated for me, you guys can discuss this one between yourself, as I am stepping back....lol

[stizz]

I saw moores film last night. i went by myself Sunday for the matinee.
I laughed, I cried, I left shell shocked and sickened. I little piece of me died. It is indeed gruesome, but I think every american should see this film.

[underfoot]

I saw moores film last night. i went by myself Sunday for the matinee.
I laughed, I cried, I left shell shocked and sickened. I little piece of me died. It is indeed gruesome, but I think every american should see this film.
Your review of the film is pretty much what everyone is saying. Go see the movie. Its more than just a 2 hour slam of the president. Its entertaining and makes you think. I havent seen it yet but that's because I'm cheap.

[Dadaland]

I have not seen farenheight 9/11; however, I have seen this very Interesting story that was brodcast by the CBC it was first aired almost a year ago now. Check it out, I gotta admit some pretty compelling evidence.



http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/index.html

[Dad4Life]

This topic is a hot discussion on almost every message board I frequent. And naturally, you have folks who agree with this administration and those who don't. Discussing this topic without some hint of political bias is nearly impossible, but it isn't impossible to do so while respecting others opinions as well. Debate is good. You learn things from a different perspective. Occasionally you have some nitwits who think before posting, and shortly thereafter someone becomes offended and the topic gets locked.

I've served my country for over 10 years. During that time, I've been blessed to never had the need to raise the sites on my weapon on someone else, or been in a close quarters combat situation. I was on active duty during the Gulf War back in 1991. I wasn't deployed. Shortly after 9/11, I was put on alert. I thought for sure that I would be called upon to go to Afghanistan to fight in the war on terror, but for whatever reason our unit never recieved the call. In October of last year, my enlistment was ending, and I opted to leave the military. It wasn't an easy decision, but looking back on it now, I'm thankful I made the choice to give my family the rest of the best years of my life. I know of no soldier who looks forward to receiving march of battle orders into combat. Those left to carry on in my absence have my prayers and support.

Part of me has died each and every time I have heard the name of someone who has fallen on the battlefield. When you become a soldier, you never fully leave the service. Part of your soul remains there in spirit, and although you no longer live that life physically, you live it every day mentally. This war has been a very depressing thing for me. I feel helpless, and in many ways hopeless. Not a day goes by that I don't wonder how many friends are standing in harms way in the Middle East. Part of me wishes I was there to help, yet another part of me wants no part of it any longer. It is a terrible feeling, and at the same time, a lucky feeling. I suppose you'd have to be a soldier to fully understand and appreciate that.

We're in a mess there. Our military leadership has failed in many costly ways. In less than a month from now, almost 1/2 of the forces serving in Iraq will be reservists. Fighting two wars simultaneously has a huge impact on military strength, not to mention morale. I know for a fact that regardless of what you read and hear in the news, soldiers are over extended. A majority of today's military personnel are now looking forward to the day that I encountered last fall, when they too can leave the military and get on with different lives. That's not good news for our nation, especially since the threats here at home are very real as well.

No one has disagreed that Saddam needed to be taken out. But many are in agreement that we needed more global support from allies in taking that mission on. Granted, we don't have the luxury of making decisions for our own interests based on world opinion. But I do think our rush to war alienated much of the world from our efforts. And that's partially why we currently find ourselves having reservists (many of whom are not properly trained) rotating into battle in Iraq. Had we methodically planned this war out from beginning to end, we would've stood a better chance of enlisting the help of the UN/Nato, and other allied nations. It wouldn't have been perceived as US against THEM.

The transfer of power puts the ball in the court of the Iraqi people. Ultimately, it is up to them to decide where this new government takes them, but they still need support from the world community. They need many nations there, not just the US and Britian, to help stabilize the situation and restore order. In my opinion, the UN has dodged its responsibilities by turning a blind eye. For those who criticize our intentions in invading Iraq, is it not fair to be critical of those who hold the key to peace yet do nothing? If the UN became active, we would see less blood shed. We would see a huge curtailing of insurgent uprising. The fact is that the common people in Iraq don't want us there anymore than the rest of the Middle Eastern nations. But we currently have no other option available. From that perspective, this administration failed as well.

Nevertheless, we're there now. We can't just up and leave. We did that in Vietnam and it took years for us to regain credibility as a people, as a nation, and as a military. We're between a rock and a hard place, and we must try to improve things each day. Trust me, it's much easier to say that as one who sits in his recliner pressing keys on a laptop than for someone who is going from house to house in a grave urban combat environment in Iraq. We sure could use some more help from the rest of the world.

God bless our soldiers, and God bless our nation.

[Remington]

Yea, this is actually fairly tame compared to some discussions i have seen. My sister and I have fought about this on numerous occasions.

The only question I have is this: If terrorists were not linked to Iraq then why is Al Quaida cutting off the heads of Americans unless troops are pulled out of Iraq? What I mean is, why would they care so much about Iraq and Saddam Hussein if they aren't tied to them?

Seems like a logical question.

Secondly, I remember a time shortly after 9/11 when the democrats were wondering why it is taking so long for Bush to do anything about the attack. They were complaining that he was just taking too long. I even remember saying this to myself. I wanted to retaliate and so did America. Bush then waited 1 year for the intelligence, he asked for support from the UN and received none. He went through the proper procedures and eventually went to war. After people forgot the impact in which this had on America we went to war and then people complained Bush went to war carelessly like some crazy cowboy.

If John punched Fred, I don't think that Fred needs permission from Jack, Ted, Ben, Tim, and Steve to punch John.

I am not a firm beleiver in the UN as some people are. I think Bush is not some conspirator as some conspiracy theorists claim he is. I simply think that Politics has gotten nasty and what we are seeing is the selfishness of people in order to make another American look bad so they can look good. It is sickening on both sides; from Democrats to Republicans.

But I will not vote for Kerry for many reasons. He likes the UN resolution. That will only weaken America. I don't beleive in his ideals. He has a mistress that he shipped off to another country during this time. Why hasn't the media covered this? He is a pro-abortionist. I am pro-life. He is for same s-e-x unions.. I am not!

There are too many differences and I think Kerry would not be a good president.

[Anonymous]

Technicly: John didn't punch Fred, thats why Jack, Ted, Ben, Tim, and Steve got pissed off at fred for punching John

[dad of 2]

There was no Iraq al-qaeda link.

There was an afganistan al-qaeda link and that is why we went there and took out both al-qaeda and the taliban. Of course we didnt get the head of al-qaeda, then again he is a ben laddin.

If you ask me it took so long for bush to hit afganistan becasue he kept pointing at iraq and everybody around him kept saying no. Only under pressure from the democrats did he finally decide to go in there.

How soon everybody forgets why we went into iraq. It wasnt because of al-qaeda it was because we were worried about the non-existant weapons of mass destruction. In fact we were so histerical about iraqs wmds that we lied to everybody around the world and to the american people about them to make sure that we could get our troops in there. :oops: I think that is scary and wrong. :(

[Anonymous]

Scary, wrong.But very clever.Fight the war on your enemys turf.Put salt on the donkey's tail and smoke out the extreamists from the entire region,get rid of an A-hole,secure another source of oil.Before you get started on the ultimate problem?Saudi Arabia!!! for every action a re-action to the power of 1000 , for every attack invade another kingdom.

Ossama,didn't think of that.Look at the misery he has brought to his people.The war is not Americas fault, lets face it ,If there was no 9/11
none of this would have never happend.

[Dadaland]

Sorry, forgot to log in. I'm the author of both above guest posts.

[Remington]

There is one thing I admit and that is Bush was given the wrong intelligence which was one of his deciding factors for going into Iraq. Either he was lied to or they really had them. Intelligence is now saying they were sent to Syria.

Who knows. Bush made one mistake and that was he told the world he was going in because of the WMD's, they were harboring and funding terrorist organizations including Al Quaida, and therefore they pose both a direct and indirect threat to America and the world. This is enough justification for me but for those that hate Bush he needed to say somthing else. He should have said, he kills his own people in mass quantities, showed a few films of him doing it, and that we needed to protect the people and turn the country into a free democracy. He would have had a better outcome.

[dad of 2]

Remi thanks for being so pragmatic. I know what it is like being on the other end of the political discussion on difficult to defend position.

begin rant

Bush ran on a no nation building platform for the military, in 2000. I don't think that that is the reason he sent our troops into iraq. It is true saddam was not a good guy, there are a lot of those types of leaders around the world. So just by saying he is a horrible leader is not a good reason alone for going in there. He killed his people in the 80's with stuff that we gave him. So we are a little attached to those killings. Give a crazy guy a gun and he will use it.

I dont know why we pulled out in the 90's during the first gulf war? I think americans didnt have enough will to finish and go in there and get saddam because dead americans would start flying home. Now though it seems pretty desperate when we have to go against the UN, a group that we formed, to go in an unjustified preemptive strike against someone who was considered a clear and present danger who wound up not being that clear or present of a danger.

Who was the last person to invaded a soverign nation? Saddam and now we joined that club too. I dont know what our commander in chief is doing all his reasons seem convoluted and unbelievable.

I wish Mcain became president over bush, those shenangans during the primary in virginia were disgusting. I think Mcain would have been a better president than gore or bush. Gore would have been a better president than bush though. I heard a speech by him during the primary in 2000 and was sold even though I am a Democrat through and through. Very honorable man.

end rant

[Don-Dad]

edited

[Dadaland]

ie..........http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/FA3AE5D2-3448-4459-BD47-E8089E9CCB37.htm

[Anonymous]

New 9/11 ? hot of the press ! No not the inquirer'r; you guessed it...

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B039ED5B-DF67-4197-BD98-E23BAF94BB06.htm

[Remington]

If we get another attack as large as 9/11 Bush will not see another term.

[Dadaland]

I agree,That's exactly why it won't happen ; however, I beleive what they will do is try to drive a wedge between the U.S and It's freinds and allies coalition or not you may wake one morning to find they have attacked an inoccent country would that sway votes through empathy?

On another note I congragulate Canada for recently recalling it's embassador to Iran, and furthermore and looking forward to the day when we cut all political ties to the other major problem on the planet.

"Pray stay this day when the little (freindly) country like New Zealand has the balls to do just that."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1CECDF90-59F8-4835-A6BA-F50A44FB0D29.htm

[Dadaland]

Freedom of speech, you guessed it. Only in a place where fag's and dykes can get married and pot is about to be legal. All you conservatives
can eat your heart out. http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1089886447997&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

[SAHF]

:?

I too believe that Bush did get some false information about Iraq and I do not believe he should be raked over the coals for it. And as stated....if he would have just said from the beginning the truth about Saddam...most of the American people would have been behind him.

I am former military man myself and I support any Presendent that supports the troops in any way shape or form. Why did we not finish what was started back in the 90s? Good question...I was there....twice. The reason it was not finished was because of the UN and all the pressures that they were putting on us and our allies. That's it in a nutshell.

Now..the new Iraqi government.

The people seem to want us out and they are trying their best to break our spirit, but it does not seem that their government wants us out. Remember...the United States is the WORLDS POLICE! As soon as the new government seems to have some sort of grasp, I say...bye bye and make sure we have a backend deal on the oil! :wink: :wink:


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[SAHF]

:shock:

What are you Canadians thinking??? I reserve the right to keep my mouth quiet so I do not offend any SAFDs that happen to be Canadian.





Freedom of speech, you guessed it. Only in a place where fag's and dykes can get married and pot is about to be legal. All you conservatives
can eat your heart out. http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1089886447997&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

[Dadaland]

You live in a free nation, you are entitle to your opinion. let's have some dialogue .Now that you have taken the bait. 8)

[dad of 2]

I too believe that Bush did get some false information about Iraq and I do not believe he should be raked over the coals for it.
So you think it is ok to send thousands of iraqis and hundreds of american soldiers to their deaths. Pat him on the back and say good job here are four more years? Try and keep your intelligence straight this time though, ok. No way!
And as stated....if he would have just said from the beginning the truth about Saddam...most of the American people would have been behind him.
What is the truth? He lied to us (rhetorical)?
I am former military man myself and I support any Presendent that supports the troops in any way shape or form.
I dont think there have been any presidents that have not supported the military and the defense of our nation. Is a president that sends us as an invading power into another soveregn nation supporting the troops? If you remember early on in the presidency rumsfeld was on a commision to streamline our armed forces. Get the right troops for the jobs we would need. That is just a tag line for cutting it. As it happened he never got a chance to do it because of 9/11. I agree with what they were attempting to do. It wont happen now for a long time and I think only a republican will be able to do it. Similar to the reason why only Clinton could get reforms on welfare
The people seem to want us out and they are trying their best to break our spirit, but it does not seem that their government wants us out. I dont want us out. We passed the point of no return. I want to see the best possible outcome for both the iraqi and us now. The whole situation leading up to the war was probably one of the worst diplamatic catastrophies in the last 50 years. Beyond that though we need to proceed with safty and caution and to make iraq a safe place for the iraqi people for our sake.
Remember...the United States is the WORLDS POLICE! Exactly what Bush didnt want our forces to be... We are in a leadership role and there is no way we can get away from that situation. So, I think his "no nation building uses of the military" is insanely naive when talking about the american armed forces. As soon as the new government seems to have some sort of grasp, I say...bye bye and make sure we have a backend deal on the oil!That was his plan on how to pay for our occupation. Pillage the oil fields and take the profits from the iraqi people and pay for our occupation of their nation. The rest of the world wouldnt have it and that is why we have spent over 100 billion in the first year of occupation.

[SAHF]

That was his plan on how to pay for our occupation. Pillage the oil fields and take the profits from the iraqi people and pay for our occupation of their nation. The rest of the world wouldnt have it and that is why we have spent over 100 billion in the first year of occupation.

Get your facts straight on this one my friend.

The first go around was proudly paid for by numerous countries and some of them are as follows....UK, Spain, Kuwait, Saudi, Japan, etc. That first go around our country probably made money on that war especially from the Kuwaities.

The Kuwait governement offered each and every single American soldier 2 million dollars for their part in the liberation of their country as did Suadi. Our governement said no, we are not paid mercs...BUT we will take the money as a whole and put it towards the "welfare of our troops".

Now....should we use the #2 oil field to paid for their liberation....Yes..why the hell not? Obviously, the United Nations is on the same page as us in getting Iraq a safer and a better place than it was before we got there. The UN is finalizing its resolution to bring in troops to help train the Iraqi forces to better help themselves.

Once the Iraqis can take care of themselves, the US should leave. And hopefully they have a sable governement that will hold the test of time.

[dad of 2]

Now....should we use the #2 oil field to paid for their liberation....Yes..why the hell not? Couple of examples of why I think that is wrong:
1. Policeman comes into your home to arrest you. On the way out he robs you and says "My gas expenses for getting over here, the force doesnt pay me enough and besides you wont need it." :shock:
2. Some country invades us (no one would ever have the audacity) and they decide to take over our private industries to pay for their occupation.

I see it as we need to make as few unsettling moves there as possible and simply use their money to rebuild them not to foot our invasion bill.

[Dadaland]

War on Terror part 3 ?

http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1090102225433&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

[SAHF]

War on Terror part 3 ?

http://thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1090102225433&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Great....this is all we need.

[dad of 2]

Scary.

[ericfm]

Any of you seen Hardball with Chris Matthews... it was nice to see someone ask direct questions with people about things... honesty... imagine that in the media and government.

All humor aside... I think the only way things will really change is when we do our own personal work... healing emotionally... then we affect those around us... raise our kids with a solid ground... and then support new leaders... whether they are us, our children, or those around us. So much of the prroblems of today stem from wounds of our heart... then all the compensations that build over that to not feel and deal with it... power, greed, self-sacrificing, extremism, elitism, etc, etc.... I look for the development and focus on what an emotionally mature government would look and feel like. A book I will be writting no doubt...

in Heart,
e

[Remington]

I look for the development and focus on what an emotionally mature government would look and feel like. A book I will be writting no doubt...
I'll be the first to read it! :D

[ericfm]

Cool... purchased before marketing.... this is a new paradigm of sales!
:)
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[Remington]

I never said I would be the first to buy it. Just read it... :lol: :lol:

ok ok I will buy it.... unless it is over $20. :wink:

[ericfm]

My guess is it will be $15...
:)

Starting a website on it already...

[Remington]

Don't forget to use www.outdoorwebhosting.com as your host. :wink:

[ericfm]

Cool site... your a web guy eh?

[Remington]

I host mainly. I have built sites for people at times and I build my own.

I use scripts when I can because I am beginning to really dislike my FrontPage 2003. Half the stuff on their you can't use like Word Art or it appears all messed up to some people depending on their setting on their computer and what they use for a browser.

I bought a new computer and when I view everything I previously built with FrontPage it was all jumbled up and images overlapped and it looked like a blind man built my site. So I have to go back and find a script like the one at www.outdoorwebhosting.com and www.mainehuntingtoday.com so I can fix the appearance. I find it a pain.

[ericfm]

Its good to know a techie...

I have been reading Tuesdays with Morrie with my wife anc child... its a nice family time together... to begin rituals early on I think is really a good idea. To bond... to love to be loved... what a thing.

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[Remington]

I am far from a techie. I think Don is more of a techie than I am. I do have a lot of close contacts that I can ask advice on too and they are really good help.

[tt3]

What a pleasant turn this thread has taken! I've got two techies in the family that are on speed dial when I have a question.
No one wants to call me to as about frogs or bugs though. *sigh*
:lol:

[Remington]

From war and politics to techies. Got to love it! :D

[Don-Dad]

Make love to techies, not war!

[Remington]

Hey if that is the case I'll call myself a techie any day. :D

[SAHF]

TECHIE HERE :!:

[ericfm]

That'll be a good bumper sticker... along with:

Love Thy Subselves

Faith= Feeling always into the Heart

In order to heal the heart of government we must heal our own first.