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sao95
09-14-2005, 05:46 PM
*warning- this is in the form of a rant, which may contain emotional under currents, seemingly irrational judgements of others, and mystical over tones*

Alright, I have been looking for things to take my daughter to where there will be other kids. With us living far from our families, and not having any friends who have children, my daughter hasn't had the oppurtunity to be around alot of other children. Unfortunately there isn't alot offered in Corpus Christi Texas. But I saw something on story time and decided it might be worth a try.

So we pack up and head to story time. We get there with time to spare and sit around the childrens book section. At first I saw another guy with his daughter and thought "this could be cool, I'm not the only guy here, could make a play friend to have over or what not." So we pick out a book to look at and head to a table, women are filtering in with their kids, and a woman with a boy sits fairly close to us, I give her a "hi, I'm here for story time too" smile, and she returns the smile. So it's seeming good, got a lady who seems nice and also a little shy like myself, and a guy with a kid and I'm thinking "this may work out after all". Then comes the superficial, loud, chatty, housewives. I don't know if you guys see this bunch the same as I do, maybe not. But they are the ones who know each other, they form a little click, talk about trivial crap, have those fake laughs, it's seemingly all about appearances. Well then the guy with the girl has a wife that shows up and joins the click, and the shy mom just seems to suck all the positive energy she was letting out, back into herself and withdraws to giving total attention to her son, (it's the shy persons way of dealing with groups of strangers, I know because I'm guilty of it). Now the superficial bunch saturates the place with their vibes and closes everyone else out in a sense.

Well now it's story time, so Jilly and I make our way into the room, we're the first ones to enter basically, there is a carpet on the floor and chairs around it. This being my first time I figure the carpet is for the kids and the chairs are for the adults. I assume that "story time" is supposed to be for the kids to be around other kids, an introduction to society if you will, where the parents give them a little room to investigate the trials and tribulations of social interacting. Unfortunately I was wrong. A few women sat and then the chatty bunch comes in and sits on the floor outside the carpet, right next to their kids, then the few other parents who had had the same delusion as me about what storytime was supposed to be (this included the shy woman) immediately sat down on the floor as well. I wasn't worried because I still had easy access to my daughter and I wanted to see how she would handle herself, I was only three feet away. Well then a few straglers came in and sat right in front of me cutting off access. And boom the lady starts story time. But she doesn't start reading, she starts singing with gestures, I don't know the gestures to these songs, and I know my daughter doesn't so I'm watching her and she is watching the other kids, (some doing the gestures, I'd say all had been there before) and I can see she is feeling a bit left out because she isn't getting what's going on. Finally they start reading, the librarian, although seemingly a nice woman, doesn't have that quality that captures kids attention, and her voice is a bit too low, so most of the kids aren't paying attention, some people have brought in infants who are way to little for story time and are disrupting, and Jilly isn't interested in the old lady reading the story, it's no big deal to her because she gets read to every night. But she does see the alphabet in the carpet and she starts crawling around the carpet pointing to the ABC's. Then anothe rlittle girl takes her shoes off, so Jilly takes hers off, and the guy with the girl is now holding his daughter in the back while the mother talks with the chatty bunch who have yet to shut up, which by the way isn't helping the kids be able to hear the story. At which point this bacame painful I don't know exactly, but it did. It ended (thank god) and I pick up my daughters shoes and start putting them on her, only to have a woman say they are her daughters shoes, which they were, same size make model everything as my daughters. :roll: The worst part was that seemingly the women wanted nothing to do with me, the other guy was alright because he had his wife with him, but it seemed my presence made even the librarian uncomfortable.

What really hit me though was at the end, and this is the emotional part, but I felt really bad. I felt like my inabilities in social settings are only hurting my daughter. I felt like I was letting her down. So we are gonna go back next week, and I'm gonna try to make something positive outta this. But what exactly or how to go about it I don't know. Something to bring the parents who go, together as a group I'm thinking, so that all of the kids (and parents) feel included.

So any advice or suggestions on how to go about this are much appreciated, also any insight on how to infiltrate the chatty club would be much appreciated. On a side note I did have a chance to talk to the the guy briefly and he seemed alright, and I got the impression he is a stay at home dad, but it was only an impression, don't know for sure.
Pat

Greenskeeper
09-14-2005, 06:04 PM
Our stories are quite the same except I live in Allentown, Pa not Texas.

I brought my 3 girls to a Barnes & Noble storytime and sure enough a loud bunch of housewives sit right next to their children and talk the through the whole session. My oldest daughter kept looking over at them as if to say I'm trying to listen but didnt say a word.

I don't have much advice other than after a few sessions my kids had all the gestures down and they did have more fun as they got comfortable. I really just wanted to tell you I was laughing while reading your post.

sao95
09-14-2005, 06:35 PM
it is definately humorous when you think about it :D Now that my emotions have calmed down abit, I think my daughter actually did pretty well. She has a great imagination and she just did her thing and kept herself entertained. I probably suffered more than she did truth be told :roll: I called my wife and told her how it went, geesh it's definately a myth about women be ing compassionate. She mentioned Barnes and Noble story time but I wasn't sure how it would be with the $10 cup of intellectualism crowd :lol: I might try it though. After the story time the librarian handed out cheat sheets for the hand gestures and lyrics to the songs, and I far as I saw I was the only one who got one. So I'm thinking that since the chatty club basically calls the shots here, then I need to pick at the superiority a bit before I make my move to be included, and I'm thinking my daughter and I will be playing with that cheat sheet alot in the coming week. If she shows up next week and knows all the stuff, it will definately help her, and I'm thinking it might help me "get in" as well. :wink:

dad305
09-14-2005, 08:32 PM
Hey Sao thanks fro the play by play. I actually read the whole thing. Yup! believe me. I was glad to se that in the end you realized that Jilly did well.

seemingly the women wanted nothing to do with meI felt like I was letting her downmy inabilities in social settings are only hurting my daughter.

Com'on man loosen up a bit. Always remember that you are doing the best thing for her and nobody ever said it would be easy.

As to how to infiltrate, my philosophy is that I don't need to. As long as the kids interact I am happy, and if they are not comfortable in a particular setting, I try something else.

Louis you sure are a successful polyglot.

jeffus
09-14-2005, 11:59 PM
Have a chat with the librarian. Ask her to enforce the "SHUSH" rule. It applies to the mommies (though, they ought to know better!). My librarian held up a sign that read "Quiet" and said eveybody in the room who could read it, should do it.

I get offended at these type of 'events' especially when they are in public place (ala my tax dollars are paying for them). It's my money too. Me & my kid deserve respect and the opportunity to enjoy the event as much as the chatterboxes.

And ask the librarian if she was happy with the way things went. Bet she wasn't. Maybe you can be the one holding the "Quiet" sign next time....

sao95
09-15-2005, 01:40 PM
these PA people and ROCKY, geesh :roll: I was thinking more of goin with the hippie voice "like come ooon MAn, like the lady is tellin about the bears, you know the bears, like wow man" alright that's a crappy hippy dialogue :lol:

good idea Jeffus, I think I might talk to the librarian, see if something can be worked out.

also this whole social interaction issue had me up last night. I've read everyone on here talking about it, but it never really hit me til last night that I really need to get my daughter into something, so today I found a SAHM's group and contacted them via e-mail, this is what I wrote, what do you think? I 'll keep ya posted on what they say in return.

the e-mail--- "Hello, I have a daughter, Jillian, who is 2 1/2 and I have been a SAHD since the beginning. I am anxious to find a playgroup as I have been unable to find any other SAHD's in the Corpus area. Please let me know if you or any members have any concerns or any questions for me, as I realize I could very well be the first SAHD who has contacted you. I appreciate your time and look forward to hearing from you. Thank you,
Patrick and Jillian Hagerty"

Sonnie Bee
09-15-2005, 03:58 PM
the e-mail--- "Hello, I have a daughter, Jillian, who is 2 1/2 and I have been a SAHD since the beginning. I am anxious to find a playgroup as I have been unable to find any other SAHD's in the Corpus area. Please let me know if you or any members have any concerns or any questions for me, as I realize I could very well be the first SAHD who has contacted you. I appreciate your time and look forward to hearing from you. Thank you,
sao95"

after forwarding your email throughout the playgroup two or three times in static shock,
they'll discuss and then likely request you submit six photos of yourself in various outfits,
including a sweater, a tight pair of jeans, a business suit, and of course, a speedo.

;) ;) ;)

edited to remove a name.

sao95
09-15-2005, 06:56 PM
here's the reply I got

I'll post more later, gotta doctors visit

"Hiya.
Although Daddies occassionally join us on some playdates, the webgroup is for Mommies. It gives Mommies a place to connect and chat with other Mommies.
Sorry, I imagine it must be difficult finding groups for Dads but I am sure that you are not alone out there. I do recall seeing another SAHD on the meetup.com boards for the CC area.
If I may give some suggestions, there is an open to the public free preschool playday on Tuesday afternoons from 2p-5p and Wednesday mornings from 9:30a-11:30a at the First Baptist Church at 3115 Ocean Dr. I have seen a few Daddies there also.
You could also try storytimes at your local public library... I think most of them have at least 2 storytimes per week.
Barnes & Nobles also has storytimes on Wednesday mornings.
A program where you may meet other SAHDs maybe something like Gymboree.
I wish you much luck. Maybe we'll see you at the preschool playdays sometime :)
If I ever come across a group for SAHD I'll be sure to let you know."

sao95
09-15-2005, 09:24 PM
This letter really makes me a little mad. I keep reading it and I pick up on what seems to be a slight tone of superiority (is that just me) as well as not just a casual brushoff, but a hint of irritation that I even approached them. Is that just me? Then she follows this up without even having the guts to sign it. Also everything (community activities) she mentioned is listed in a booklet that gets distributed in the area, so I guess I'm illiterate as well? Maybe I'm just reading into it, but why go into all the detail. Just say no. Basically she says if your a man with a woman then you can go. I'm not sure how to reply to this, but I'm definately thinking of a reply :evil:

tt3
09-15-2005, 09:48 PM
Walk lightly, man. It does seem to be a bit condiscending condescending um talking down, but go lightly. Thank her and be done with it. Really the only reason she doesn't want to include you is because you have a Tab A instead of a Slot B ;) not a group you'd like to hang out with anyway, as I see it.
Start your own group. Whats the population where you live? I'm in a town of 80k, and our dads group has 4 regulars but twice as many others. They are there, just not too social. Let me know if you're interested in more of what i did.

jeffus
09-15-2005, 11:42 PM
At least she replied...... :shock:

sao95
09-16-2005, 02:05 PM
that was enough tuppence to feed the birds ;) (mary poppins reference) couldn't help it, you don't run across the term tuppence that often.

While I appreciate your approach Louis, it doesn't really fit my personality, the honesty certainly does, which I think I was as honest and open as I could be. I gave our names, Jilly's age, our reason for wanting to join, and told them I was willing to answer any question or concerns they might have (in case they hadn't been around a stay at home dad). The part where I stroke their ego by asking them questions assuming the role of village idiot (which is how I read what you said) is something I can't do. It's too much of a game and I'm just not into it. Truthfully it's a game I've never been good at, my face is to readable :roll: Luckily though, last night I got to the point, after dealing with the wife and financial issues, where I thought who freakin cares? While it does irritate the hell out of me that they are that closed minded, and I had expected better results after reading some of the luck guys on here have had. So I was a bit steamed. What probably irritated me the most was in my thinking playgroups are started for the kids, but in this instance the kids actually seem to take the backseat and it's for the "mommies". The hypocrisy of how I am certain they present themselves to others, and their "playgroup" bothers me. The fact that she mentions a methodist church setting and says see you there. Ya exactly why I try not to hit secular meeting place. How very Christian of you to exclude my daughter from your playgroup. Wouldn't Jesus be proud. May you burn in hell. (sorry gettin worked up again) But, anywho, I'm not gonna reply, karma's a bitch and I hope it visits itself ten fold on her. I have to many other things to worry about. So I'm gonna try to just put it out of my head and write it off. But if I happen across one of those "mommies" at some meeting place, I will get a word or two in, I guarantee that :wink:

I am gonna hit the library again next week still, so I'll keep ya posted on how that goes.

oh another tidbit is to not forget about regional differences in attitude and culture. I've spent a good bit of time in PA, and the people in general are much more friendly than down here in Texas, just my opinion of course.

dad305
09-17-2005, 01:23 PM
May you burn in hellkarma's a bitch and I hope it visits itself ten fold on her

Watch out for that karma sao... 8-[

sao95
09-17-2005, 02:38 PM
Watch out for that karma sao... 8-[

I didn't actually throw her in the flames though :wink:

Jackson's Dad
09-18-2005, 03:52 PM
Well, it *is* their club -- and if they want it for just mother's... well, it's probably not the kind of group you want to hang out with, you know? Especially because they use words like "mommies" and "daddies". Sheesh, even if they'd take you, that alone would send me screaming. :roll:

sao95
09-21-2005, 04:09 PM
an update: we went to story time again, and with the hurricane there was only one other parent with kids there, luckily her little girl is just about the same age as Jilly, so being as it was just her an I, I struck up a conversation, told her we didn't know anyone nor have any family around here so no other kids to play with, she said they were in the same boat, and so, we have a playdate at McDonald's after next weeks story time :) , as long as Corpus is still here. So a positive outcome, with a little help seemingly coming from Hurricane Rita :)
Pat

jeffus
09-22-2005, 02:48 AM
See that!? You made a friend.

sao95
11-09-2005, 09:21 PM
I figured another update was appropriate: I've been going religiously to story time for I guess two months now, and things are very positive. I met another SAHD and have had a few playdates with him and his daughter, and have exchanged phone numbers with most of the women. As well as had a few more playdates with the McDonalds women from the previous post. The only problem I've had is one woman who was at a McDonalds get together, she was friends with the other woman, and she was very very cold towards me. I made it a point to start a conversation with her and it didn't seem to help. But most of the other mom's have been very good at coming around. The biggest trouble is getting a playdate organized, the women really seem to drag their feet, whereas the other SAHD I just shoot a e-mail to "hey wanna hang out tomorrow" and it's a done deal. All in all pretty positive, looking back at my first post, things have improved greatly :)
sao

Jackson's Dad
11-10-2005, 07:45 PM
Sounds great! Glad it's all working out.